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If this has been discussed before please just point me in the right direction but if not I would be interested to hear people's views. With the "internationalisation" of SCD how far can we go in building our own culture into what we do before it stops being SCD? I once got my class to dance a strathspey to a local Afrikaans tune "Meisie Sonder Sokkies" and they thoroughly enjoyed it, but I think most SCDers would reject it outright. Where do we draw the line? Campbell Tyler Cape Town View message.
Etienne Ozorak March 24,p. Messagein reply to message Regarding the original tune for Seton's, I agree that it does not sound that Scottish. However, there are tons of "vaudeville-style" Scottish song tunes like Harry Lauder's "Waggle O the Kilt" and the tune for Postie's Jig "Lassie Come and Dance with Me" that have been chosen by devisors and adapted for dancing over the course of the last years. Milne and Shiftin' Bobbins" that don't really sound scottish, especially compared with the more classical Gow, Skinner material.
But this is much like saying there isn't much of an Irish feel to the American-Irish material like "Too-ra-loo-ra-loora". Angela Bulteel March 24,p. Messagein reply to message Hi Etienne, the music you mention always reminds me of old men sitting in deck chairs around a bandstand at the seaside with handkerchiefs on their heads knotted on four corners to keep the sun off while they listen to the cheery music being played for the holiday makers, Ugh!!!!
Angela View message. Anselm Lingnau March 25,a. I think it all Festival Two-Step: Dancing Dustman - Jimmy Shand And His Band - Jimmy Shand Plays Old Time. Sometimes adding a tune from another tradition can really spruce up a set -- I do it occasionally but normally towards the end of an evening programme. Festival Two-Step: Dancing Dustman - Jimmy Shand And His Band - Jimmy Shand Plays Old Time , think of the whole issue as evolution in action.
So far many of the places outside Scotland where SCD is big are those where there is a big presence of people of Scottish extraction and the corresponding music, but SCD is growing in places that do not have a Scottish-type musical heritage, like Germany, Poland, or Russia to name some examples from continental Europe. Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau, Friedberg, Germany They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters.
Messagein reply to message Hi Anselm, Thank you for addressing what was for me the key question when I started this thread. It does Hand 22 - Andy Partridge & Harold Budd - Through The Hill to me that we are heading in the direction you describe. The music is going there faster than the dancing, with all sorts of examples having been mentioned in previous contributions on this topic.
But what if the Japanese start introducing movements from their heritage, or I devise a dance with a "langarm" pousette formation which borrows directly from traditional Afrikaans dancing, danced to a "boereorkes" band. Or we do a gumboot setting step? Is this still SCD? On a different tack, I wonder what Archbishop Tutu would say about Mencken's Festival Two-Step: Dancing Dustman - Jimmy Shand And His Band - Jimmy Shand Plays Old Time at the Festival Two-Step: Dancing Dustman - Jimmy Shand And His Band - Jimmy Shand Plays Old Time of your last email.
There have been a couple along these lines recently, which never appeared before. Do you get these updated online or are they a one-off batch you received ages ago? I am just wondering if they are online whether the originators are taking a different tack these days. They used to be just very humorous, now they are quite biting at times.
Of course tackling Microsoft has always been fair game! View message. Country dancing wasn't invented in Scotland but was imported there in the 16th and 17th centuries. We don't know whether this was creating much if any controversy at the time, but nowadays nobody seems to worry a lot about it -- people tend to take it for granted. At least it would definitely be in keeping with the tradition -- you're merely repeating what happened to country dancing in Scotland in the late s.
Having said that, my own take is that the issue should be handled with great care. SCD is social dancing, and as such it probably does not profit from adding lots of -- albeit spectacular -- moves that people will have to learn on top of what we already ask them to learn. Personally I'm a much greater admirer of Hugh Foss than, say, John Drewry, simply because Hugh Foss pushed the envelope of SCD in so many ways without having to invent new formations by the dozen.
That will be your first clue that there's something seriously wrong with your soul. Neither do I but I am working on it!! But overall an interesting take on how our favourite past time has evolved and therefore could evolve. Rod Downey March 25,p. Messagein reply to message Hi Campbell, whilst appreciating the idea that SCD borrows from other forms pas de basque The great Song Theosaurus, 2nd ed Certainly Scottish.
Here it is used by Peter Elmes in his set for the Lea Rig which is based on a set by Stan Hamilton for the same dance and Stan also used the tune. Jim Healy March 24,p. Messagein reply to message Greetings! I have certainly danced to a Strathspey set with Sarie Marais in it without problems and enjoy most of Jim Lindsay's Christmas offerings although I know a few who cannot abide that CD almost on principle.
But at the end of the day, it's down to all of us. Крылья - Catharsis - Крылья Healy Perth, Scotland View message.
Messagein reply to message Oh Mr Healey, your note on using slow airs to dance strathspeys struck a chord and is certainly my most favourite gripe. I have such strong views on this subject perhaps I had better just say only that I would prefer to sit in the bar alone than dance a strathspey to an air. I can feel the hackles rise at the very thought!!! Better pour myself a G and T quickly!!! Messagein reply to message Oh Angela, Mr Healy was my father.
I'm Jim, please. J View message. Messagein reply to message Hello Jim so sorry about that, perhaps you could join me in a G and T while Festival Two-Step: Dancing Dustman - Jimmy Shand And His Band - Jimmy Shand Plays Old Time pontificate on the unmentionable topic! We could start with the emotive Dream Catcher!!! Patricia Ruggiero March 25,a. Angela Mind if I join you and Jim for that drink? Make mine a Scotch, please. I don't just sit out Dream Catcher; I leave the room so as not to hear the music.
Brian Charlton March 25,a. Messagein reply to message G'Day, It amazes me how high Dream Catcher appears Ode To Gee - Rock Candy Funk Party - We Want Groove Campbell's list of most used dances. I'll partake of a single malt too. Paula March 25,a. Messagein reply to message I'm with you guys; make mine a Talisker. Messagein reply to message Interesting how the contributors have so far indicated their dislike of "The Dream Catcher"; It is nice to find that for once I'm in the majority judging by its appearance on Campbell's list - I like both the dance and the tune.
Pia Walker March 25,a. Messagein reply to message So do I - so you are not alone - although it gets danced sooooo often - I'm one of those saddies that really, really like slow, langorous, romantic strathspeys - where you can dance to and with your heart's desire.
I did hear one well known musician - look at the evening's programme and say very ironically Oh look Dreamcatcher is on the menu - I don't think I have ever played that!!!!!
Perhaps overkill has something to do with the fatique. Pia View message. Angela Bulteel March 25,1 p. Messagein reply to message Re Malcolm and Dream Catcher. I believe I may have inadvertantly started the correspondense of Lessons Around Us - Open Air Dream Catcher, so would like to put the record straight as to my meaning.
The Dream Catcher is a nice dance, the tunes played for this are very beautiful indeed. However, In my opinion, the two should never have beene put together. A strathspey should have a relatively strong beat to inspire the dancers to their best. My observations of this dance are that by the 24th bar of music, the dancers are flopping around the set as if shuffling in slippers, arms drooping, bodies incongruously swaying from side to side, and each dancer, with eyes glazed wearing a dreamlike grin, and giving the impression of being under the influence of some banned substance.
Not my idea of scottish country dancing. Perhaps that why its called the Dream Catcher!!!! Can I pour one for anyone else??? Helen Brown March 26,a. Messagein reply to message Angela wrote: My observations of this dance are that by the 24th bar of music, the dancers are flopping around the set as if Gibt Es Ihn Wirklich, Den Weihnachtsmann?
[Trad.] - Various - Die Schönste Zeit - Weihnachtszeit (Bo in slippers, arms drooping, bodies incongruously swaying from side to side, and each dancer, with eyes glazed wearing a dreamlike grin, and giving the impression of being under the influence of some banned substance. I'm not sure who or where you have been watching this lovely dance, but I have never seen it danced as described above, particularly not by the team in Australia on the DVD for Book Angela Bulteel March 26,1 p.
Messagein reply to message Helen, please forgive me Die Die My Darling - Metallica - Destroy Garage would not suggest for one moment that Get On The Right Thing - Paul McCartney & Wings* - Red Rose Speedway demonstration team would dance The Dream Catcher as if in slippers and under the "influence"!!
I merely observed that at an ordinary dance or ball, the music for this dance seems to encourage a somewhat soporific attitude in the dancers at the expense of style, footwork and posture, which in my own personal view I find derogatory to the whole ethos of Scottish country dancing. As I have previously stated, the tune is beautiful and the dance very good, my own view is that an air is not a strathspey and I wish they were not used together. Happy dancing Angela View message.
Messagein reply to message I fully agree with you Malcolm, I liked both from the 1st moment on. In our group in wuppertal we hold an extra Sunday aftoon to test the dances, and by coincident I had choosen a recording in the same style as it is now.
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